Timcast IRL · April 28, 2021 · 2h 0m

Timcast IRL #274 - BLM Begins New "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Narrative As MORE Unrest Erupts w/Andrew Branca

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Episode Recap

In this Timcast IRL episode, Tim Pool and co-host Ian Crossland discussed the ongoing protests in Elizabeth City, North Carolina following the police shooting of Andrew Brown Jr., with use-of-force expert Andrew Branca joining as the featured guest. The conversation centered on what appeared to be a repeat of previous high-profile police shooting narratives, specifically drawing comparisons to the "hands up, don't shoot" story from Ferguson that later proved false. The hosts analyzed the involvement of civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who has represented families in numerous police shooting cases including Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and now Andrew Brown Jr. Tim Pool criticized Crump's pattern of presenting incomplete narratives to generate media pressure and large settlements. The discussion also touched on Florida's new censorship law targeting social media companies, which Tim described as potentially ending Wikipedia's ability to suppress news outlets. Andrew Branca, a use-of-force expert who covered the entire Derek Chauvin trial, provided legal analysis on the importance of waiting for complete evidence before forming conclusions, citing the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin cases where initial narratives were later contradicted by full evidence. The hosts expressed concern about potential summer unrest similar to 2020 if the narrative around Brown Jr. escalated.

TL;DR

  • →Tim Pool and Ian Crossland discussed the FBI opening a civil rights investigation into Andrew Brown Jr.'s death in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, comparing it to previous high-profile cases
  • →Andrew Branca, use-of-force expert, explained how civil rights attorney Ben Crump has a history of presenting incomplete narratives to generate settlements
  • →The hosts analyzed how "hands up, don't shoot" narratives from Ferguson and other cases were later proven false when full evidence emerged
  • →Tim discussed Florida's new censorship law that would prevent social media companies and Wikipedia from banning or suppressing news outlets based on content
  • →Branca provided analysis on Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Derek Chauvin cases, emphasizing the importance of complete evidence before judging police actions
  • →The conversation expressed concern about potential summer unrest similar to 2020 if media narratives around the Brown Jr. case escalate

Key Moments

  • 0:00
    Opening - Elizabeth City Protests
    Tim introduces the state of emergency in Elizabeth City and the BLM lawyer claiming Andrew Brown Jr. was executed with a shot to the back of the head
  • 1:14
    Guest Introduction - Andrew Branca
    Tim introduces use-of-force expert Andrew Branca who covered the entire Derek Chauvin trial and multiple high-profile cases
  • 2:11
    FBI Civil Rights Investigation
    Discussion of FBI opening investigation into Andrew Brown Jr. killing and Ben Crump's statement demanding video release
  • 3:36
    Ben Crump Criticism
    Andrew Branca explains Crump's pattern of presenting incomplete evidence to generate pressure for settlements
  • 4:29
    Historical Case Analysis
    Tim and Branca discuss Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and George Zimmerman cases where initial narratives were proven false

Notable Quotes

“This might be another hands up, don't shoot. For those that aren't familiar, that was the big narrative around Ferguson, which as many of you probably know, I was on the ground for these riots.”

— Tim Pool · opening segment about Elizabeth City protests

“Benjamin Crump has a long history of less than comprehensively sharing information about these cases in a way to shade it in a way that's favorable to him. And what's favorable to him is to get a very large, typically multimillion dollar settlement out of the city as quickly as possible.”

— Andrew Branca · analysis of civil rights attorney tactics

“Hands up, don't shoot was not true. Right. So when that officer, when the grand jury declined to indict the officer in the Michael Brown hands up, don't shoot shooting. The whole world is shocked.”

— Tim Pool · discussing how false narratives drive public reaction

“In those cases where we have had a chance to look at the totality of the evidence, you only ever saw half the argument from Benjamin Crump, the half that made him wealthy.”

— Andrew Branca · explaining pattern of incomplete evidence presentation

“Hello, everyone. Ian Crossland over here. Good to be here. Thank you.”

— Ian Crossland · co-host introduction

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