Timcast IRL · February 18, 2022 · 2h 0m
Timcast IRL #470 - Author Of "The Next Civil War" Stephen Marche Joins, Says We Are On VERGE Of Civil War
Episode Recap
Timcast IRL episode 470 featured a timely and provocative discussion about the state of American democracy with author Stephen Marche, who joined Tim Pool to discuss his book "The Next Civil War." The conversation began with Pool acknowledging his frequent discussions about civil war, stating he believes the country is already in a cold civil war and potentially transitioning to something more active. The episode opened with coverage of a Black Lives Matter activist in Louisville who was arrested for an attempted assassination of a Jewish Democrat, with the suspect being bailed out by the BLM organization and potentially linked to extremist groups. This incident came shortly after Adam Kinzinger publicly stated his belief that a civil war could begin and would involve targeted assassinations. Stephen Marche, who wrote the 2018 article that later became his book, explained that he views the United States as a textbook case of a country headed for civil war based on deep structural divisions that transcend partisan politics. He noted that Canada is essentially experiencing a proxy conflict for American hyper-partisanship. The conversation touched on multiple news stories including the National Guard deployment in New Mexico, the Canadian trucker convoy and American convoy movement, cancel culture, and Florida's new 15-week abortion ban. Daniel Turner was mentioned as a guest discussing energy policy from his farm, providing light-hearted moments amid the heavy discussion of societal collapse.
TL;DR
- →Tim Pool and Stephen Marche discussed America's trajectory toward civil war, with the author of "The Next Civil War" explaining why he sees the U.S. as a textbook case for internal conflict based on structural divisions
- →Coverage of a Black Lives Matter activist arrested for an attempted assassination of a Jewish Democrat in Louisville, with the suspect having ties to extremist organizations and being bailed out by BLM
- →Adam Kinzinger's recent comments about civil war potentially beginning with targeted assassinations were discussed as part of the escalating political violence analysis
- →Stephen Marche explained he is a nonpartisan Canadian observer who interviewed experts across the political spectrum to write his civil war analysis
- →Multiple news stories were covered including the National Guard being deployed as teachers in New Mexico, the Canadian trucker convoy, and Florida's 15-week abortion ban
- →Light-hearted moments included discussion of Daniel Turner's farm life, chicken conversations, and wine berry picking in West Virginia and Maryland
Key Moments
- 0:00Opening and Civil War DiscussionTim Pool opened the show discussing civil war rhetoric and introduced the day's news including the BLM activist assassination attempt
- 10:00Guest IntroductionStephen Marche was introduced as the author of "The Next Civil War" and provided background on his 2018 article that became a book
- 25:00Nonpartisan AnalysisMarche explained why he views the U.S. as heading toward civil war based on structural factors visible to any observer regardless of political affiliation
- 45:00Political Events CoverageDiscussion of the National Guard deployment, trucker convoy, and Florida abortion legislation as indicators of societal tensions
- 75:00Canadian PerspectiveMarche discussed Canada's role as a proxy conflict for American partisanship and how being outside American tribes gives him different perspective
- 90:00Energy Expert SegmentDaniel Turner was mentioned as a guest who would discuss energy policy from his farm in rural America
Notable Quotes
“Every other word out of my mouth must be civil war or something like that. And people are in the chat saying, Tim, civil war pool. Well, I certainly think we're in a cold civil war. Maybe it's even hot. It's just too early for us to realize it on a grand scale.”
— Tim Pool · opening
“What I keep saying is to a lot of people who maybe are on one side or the other, it doesn't matter if you think you're right. What matters is both sides think they're right.”
— Tim Pool · main discussion
“I definitely think a nonpartisan observer can look at the United States. I mean it's a textbook case of a country headed for civil war. It's not really a question of your political affiliation. It's really a question of deep structures that anyone can see.”
— Stephen Marche · interview
“When you think of Canada, you think left, but honestly, as I've crossed the United States writing this book, and as I've interviewed the experts, I'm not part of these tribes. I'm outside of all of these tribes.”
— Stephen Marche · debate
“Because of the coming civil war, I live on a very large farm far, far away from civilization. So I'm fascinated for this conversation.”
— Daniel Turner · panel