Timcast IRL · January 18, 2023 · 2h 0m
Timcast IRL #695 Steven Crowder ERUPTS On 'Big Con' Over Contract Terms w/Tower Gang Crew
Episode Recap
Timcast IRL episode #695 featured Tim Pool and co-hosts discussing Steven Crowder's explosive video calling out what he termed the 'big con' in conservative media regarding contract terms with tech companies. The discussion centered on how major media organizations structure deals that enforce big tech guidelines and allow punishment of conservative voices. Tim Pool shared his own experiences with media contracts, revealing he signed with Disney and became 'locked up' for years due to golden handcuffs. The panel analyzed the practical challenges of negotiating with someone of Crowder's size—nearly 6 million subscribers—making traditional deals impossible. They discussed various media companies including Daily Wire, Rumble, Fox, Blaze, and others that could potentially sign Crowder. Tim mentioned that Fox is contractually blacklisted from appearing on his show due to direct competition with Tucker Carlson. The conversation included analysis of Daily Wire's membership model with approximately 900,000 subscribers generating around $9 million monthly in membership revenue. The hosts debated whether Fox, Daily Wire, or other conservative media outlets could feasibly accommodate Crowder's requirements while maintaining editorial independence.
TL;DR
- →Steven Crowder released a video exposing what he called the 'big con' of conservative media colluding with big tech through restrictive contract terms
- →Tim Pool revealed his own experience signing with Disney and being 'locked up' by golden handcuffs common in media contracts
- →The panel discussed how nearly impossible it is to create a deal for someone with Crowder's 6 million subscriber base
- →Fox was revealed to be contractually blacklisted from appearing on Tim's show due to direct competition with Tucker Carlson
- →Daily Wire's business model was analyzed with approximately 900,000 paying subscribers generating estimated $9 million monthly
- →The hosts debated various media companies that could potentially sign Crowder including Fox, Daily Wire, Rumble, and others
Key Moments
- 0:06:37Opening and Story IntroductionTim begins discussing Media Matters article about Steven Crowder's 'big con' video targeting conservative media contracts with big tech
- 0:08:17Tim's Personal ExperienceTim reveals he signed with Disney, took the money, and became locked into restrictive contracts
- 0:09:02Historical ExamplesComparison with Jesse Ventura's silencing at MSNBC and Cenk Uygur's similar experiences with mainstream media
- 0:10:49Media Company SpeculationPanel discusses various media companies—Fox, Daily Wire, Rumble, Blaze—and which could feasibly sign Crowder
- 0:11:12Fox Blacklist RevelationTim reveals Fox personalities are contractually prohibited from appearing on his show
Notable Quotes
“He's right about the contracts. He's right about the machine. He's right about how this whole system works, but there's an understanding you need to have.”
— Tim Pool · opening discussion on Crowder's claims
“I signed it. It was a lot of cash, a lot of cash I didn't have. And I said, okay. And then within the confines of that contract, I eventually was like, I know what I have to do and I know what I'm not going to do.”
— Tim Pool · personal experience with Disney contract
“Crowder's too big. There's no way anyone can sign a deal with Steven Crowder. It's just that simple. Dude's got nearly 6 million subscribers.”
— Tim Pool · main discussion on impossibility of Crowder deals
“Fox guests aren't allowed on this show. Contractually, I just know that probably—pissing off Fox right now—like we routinely have people say stuff like I wish, I'm a big fan, we love the show, we'd love to come on, too bad we can't.”
— Tim Pool · revelation about Fox blacklist
“There's no way anyone can sign a deal with Steven Crowder. It's just that simple. Dude's got nearly 6 million subscribers. How do you do a deal with this man? He owns the space.”
— Tim Pool · analysis of Crowder's market position